Season 6, Episode 2: Reality and Faith with Rev. Starlette Thomas and Dr. Tamice Spencer Helms

But also we're the leaders. We are, we're the leaders. They're a leader of something, but they're not the leader of us. We're the leaders. We're the leaders. So no matter what they say, no matter what hate they spew, I really love Cesar Chavez. He's like, I still go out and feed the farm worker and I don't make them get on the boycott line because if they're pushed under the dirt, then they can't see hope. So people that have more economic power, a little more privilege than the other guy, we're the leaders. We're the ones that keep showing up in love. And love is a dangerous thing for these folks.

Phil Allen Jr & Open Wounds

Danielle and I (Maggie) met virtually this week with author, filmmaker, theologian, poet and PhD candidate, Phil Allen Jr. to discuss the themes in his new book Open Wounds: A Story of Racial Tragedy, Trauma and Redemption around the layers of racism, the ways trauma effects us intergenerationally and the difference between reconciliation and solidarity.